All the way back in 2008, Kanye West released his 4th album 808s & Heartbreak. The project opted for neither the throwback rap style of West’s first two projects or the ultra-contemporary bling rap of his third album Graduation which it succeeded by just a year. Despite that shift, the album did have hits like “Heartless” and “Love Lockdown” but it was met with mixed reviews. In the years since, the record has been upheld as an influential early innovator of the trap stylings that would eventually go on to dominate the rap world. Through that lens the album has garnered much more critical acclaim in retrospect.
Now, producer Gordo thinks there’s another album that could follow a similar path to eventual acclaim. Honestly, Nevermind was met with much harsher criticism when Drake dropped the surprise shake up back in 2022. Fans called the project boring and forgettable despite his shift into an entire new style, house music. Like 808s, the album did produce some hits like “Jimmy Cooks,” “Sticky,” and “Massive.” During a recent interview with Complex, Gordo shared his full thoughts on why he thinks the album is destined to eventually achieve more acclaim than it currently gets. Check out what he had to say below.
He cited what he sees as the influence of Honestly, Nevermind after it dropped. “We all know that when Drake does something, everyone follows. Kanye does something, everyone follows. There’s a couple people who when they do something, everyone follows,” he began. “And that album, I feel like everyone ended up following, and people who don’t know house music and don’t know that type of vibe, especially the Afro-House vibe that was on that album, is the most popular sh*t out right now,” he elaborated.
What do you think of Gordo’s claims that Honestly, Nevermind will eventually be revered in the same way 808s & Heartbreak is? Do you agree with him that the house album turned out to be more influential than it currently gets credit for? Let us know in the comment section below.
During a recent interview with Ed Mylett for SiriusXM, Jeezy opened up about working alongside Kanye West on the Chicago artist’s 2008 LP, 808s & Heartbreak. According to Jeezy, he played a crucial role in the creation of the album, as Ye looked to him for inspiration. He recalled getting a phone call from the Grammy winning performer, who ended up running each song by him.
“When he was doing that album 808s & Heartbreak, he called me and was like, ‘I need you to come out to Hawaii.’ And I’m like, ‘What for?’” he began. “So when I get out to Hawaii, he has this chalkboard out there and it said, ‘What would Jeezy do?’ He had all these songs on there and he was playing the songs, and he would watch what I would bob my head to.”
Jeezy claims that Ye was looking to attract more “street” listeners, and figured he’d be helpful to have around. “And he told me,” he recalled. “‘You understand how to talk to them in a way they understand and it’s simple.’” Jeezy also shared that he once brought Ye out with him at an event in Atlanta, which he says was the first time the hitmaker performer for so many “street people.”
“I brought Kanye West out to Birthday Bash,” he described. “It’s like the biggest show in Atlanta. We had a record together called ‘Put On’ and he’d never been in front of that many people that are, like, street people.” He continued, “His audience was more broad. But he wanted that — we all do.” What do you think of Kanye West tapping Jeezy for his album 808s & Heartbreak? What about Jeezy’s story about bringing Ye to perform with him at Birthday Bash in Atlanta? Share your thoughts in the comments section down below, and keep an eye on HNHH for more updates.
An unreleased Kanye West song, supposedly from the 808s & Heartbreak sessions, just surfaced online. Of course, it’s impossible to confirm for sure that it came from those sessions, but there are some strong hints. Any superfans of the cult classic album know that the autotune and cold, minimal beat on here is classic 808s. Moreover, the track is titled “I’ll Be Alright” on SoundCloud, and you can tell Kanye laid down some reference mumbled vocals to work on later. After all, he’s prone to release reference tracks as verses or full songs of his own, and he might have the most revered leaked discography in the game.
For example, his album Yandhi preceded the fan disappointment Jesus Is King, and those tracks never saw the light of day. Well, most of them at least, as “Use This Gospel” and “Selah” landed on the aforementioned album, whereas “Hurricane” landed on Donda. As such, it’s never out of the question to think a Ye leak could eventually manifest into something larger. While a lot of people criticized the Chicago rapper mumbling over his tracks for years, it’s no secret that the production carries that expressive delivery on its shoulders.
Kanye West’s Unreleased “808s” Era Song Sees Light Of Day
Still, it’s a bit hard to enjoy a track from the Yeezy mogul these days given his bigoted and hostile rhetoric. Following multiple instances of antisemitic comments, exclusionary statements, and media meltdowns, public favor of West dwindled to an all-time low. However, many of those who feel the strongest about his deplorable behavior are some of his biggest fans. As such, it’s become interesting to look at Kanye’s music almost as a point against him, or a comparison to himself that makes his past and current values contradict.
Meanwhile, the 45-year-old’s been relatively off of that media cycle for the past few months. Conversation around him hasn’t dwindled, but much of it surrounds his marriage and outings with Bianca Censori. They had a few notable paparazzi run-ins recently, some more hostile than others. Overall, hopefully less photographers and media following him will allow for the internal reflection and healing that many think will suit him best. Regardless, check out “I’ll Be Alright” above and return to HNHH for the latest news and updates from afar on Kanye West.
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You’re driving us through L.A. with no driver or bodyguard—
Yeah. I’m rich and I’m famous, but I try not to be extra with it.
[Laughs.] Has the recession affected you?
Yeah, I try to avoid it overly affecting me. But some shit has happened, like Best Buy was supposed to [shoot and produce] the tour DVD and they pulled out of it. I definitely got hit with that, because not shooting it was not an option, so I had to pay for it.
Did you consider how a recession might affect the reception of the “Martin Louis King” video you made in Paris?
People tune into me for escapism. When you went to the Glow in the Dark Tour, you were literally transported to another planet. I know there’s anti-rich sentiment right now, with corporate people not using their jets and Obama saying heads of banks can’t make more than $500,000, but I really feel like that tape embodied me and what Louis Vuitton is about. I’d like to think I give optimism to people when I stunt. When I have a pink watch on or tight jeans on, people talk shit about me, but it wore all gray and black, who would be the one to wear all the bright colors? How depressing would it be if I was always depressed, or, should I say, the press? I’m here to entertain people and to be the one that does the crazy, bold stuff so they can live through me and get their mind off the recession and the war and whatever else is going on in the world.
Was there a goal for that video?
I didn’t have a particular goal while I was doing it. But after the fact, I was like, this video is the greatest example of my true personality. This is the five-year-old before he was jaded. Before everyone told him what and what not to do and how to stay cool and what you had to do to be a rapper and what you had to not do. This energy was very pure and very exciting. I wasn’t downing people, either. I wasn’t telling people to step your shit up. I was just saying, “Are you serious?” Like, I just did a shoe for Louis Vuitton that was actually in the show, and I got the entire hood watching me and waiting for them to come out. Oh, SWAGGER IS ON A HUNDRED GAZILLION!!! And I was so exploding inside that it would have been a shame for me not to just scream out loud in a hallway. But I didn’t have a hallway. I had a video camera and Vimeo.
You know that video and those pictures made the internet go apeshit, right?
It blew their fucking mind, didn’t it? I’m going to honestly say I don’t know exactly what it was. Was it—
Taz’s tights.
That’s what I was about to say! Was it Taz’s outfits? What does Taz wearing tights have to do with me? How does Taz—mind you, a dude who is straight—wearing tights make me gay this week? How am I gay this week?
10 years ago today.
“Kanye brought his group of friends to Paris to take in fashion week for the first time and crash the party.”
You know, since then, people who know that I know you have asked two recurring questions: Is he on drugs? Is he gay?
[Laughs.] What do you tell them?
That I’ve never seen you do drugs, but I’ve definitely seen you go in, as far as chicks—
[Laughs very hard.] But, you know, that doesn’t prove anything [to them], right? Someone could just be like, “He’s just running in girls when he’s really thinking about fucking guys.” That’s, like, the devil’s advocate thing that they probably say. But drugs? How perfect is that? People think I’m on drugs! I didn’t even have to do drugs for people to think that I was on them. And what’s funny is that I feel like my outfits were very masculine and very hip-hop.
Why do you think there’s such a fixation on your sexuality?
I really think it’s because society tries to dictate the way a guy is supposed to dress and the way a guy is supposed to act, and I refuse to conform. A lot of these dudes would never be accused of being gay just because they all look exactly alike. If people could just realize the amount of mundaneness and followers that lack creativity… I think people’s mentality is like, only gay people are that creative. And it’s true there are a lot of gay people who are incredible creative minds, but there are straight people who are incredible creative minds—and there’s gay people who can’t dress or create at all, too. Closed-minded gay people probably say they dress “straight.”
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What does the brand Kanye West mean?
Pop but Luxury. Edgy but Comfortable. I’m about clashing worlds that you think don’t belong together. This is our world, and everything belongs together. That’s the ill thing about our president. Our president is Black, but our president is white, too. And the original struggle of America is racism, and to have someone in office that represents both of those sides is what I think the world is about. Segregation and snobbery and elitism should be the wack words. That should be what people use to diss people.
Your fashion endeavors have been much more exclusive and expensive than your music. Does your brand translate equally to both mediums? Do they have the same audience?
It’s a similar goal. But I feel like when I do my own line, it’s not going to be anywhere near as mass as I am to start off with, because it’s impossible to start off there and be credible. I have to start small not only to gain respect, but to have time to learn and get better. I have to do some things that affect the world or affect culture, like I did with music. In fashion, trends are set on a high level, so I need to do stuff that hits the runway; like with the Louis shoe and its reverse tongue, that could set a trend that you’ll see on other shoes.
The Yeezys and the LV shoes represent two very different sides of your aesthetic.
I’m going to keep coming up with ideas, but I do want to state in black and white that somebody needs to give me a fucking chance. Don’t just one-off me! If Nike gave me the opportunity to be in there creating—not that they don’t already have genius designers like Hiroshi—I’m not saying that I think I’m the best designer in the world, but what I’m saying is that I think I can become that. I want to be able to be mentioned in the same breath as the greats. I just want to be competitive. Doing a licensing deal or something like that, that’s not real. What if Nike would’ve really given me a deal and allowed me to do lifestyle?
To do an entire sportswear line?
Yeah. You don’t think I would’ve killed that?
Sure. Could be ill.
Right. And I just feel like I’m screaming and jumping up and down; I feel like when I was trying to get a record deal and nobody would sign me. And yeah, I could put out an album independently, but without that Def Jam machine, I wouldn’t be able to get to a point where I could do the Glow in the Dark Tour.
Would you say your brand is about taking the niche and making it mainstream?
It all comes down to taste. It’s just saying, “I like this,” and I’d like to show other people that this is dope. It frustrates me that people say I don’t do my own blog, because I would never allow things to go up and say that this represents me.
Tell me about your process of discovery. You’re constantly absorbing new information, so who are you learning from?
I just keep a team of really, really dope people. Don C [from Kanye’s management] has to get the most credit because I respect his taste equally if not more than mine. I am me, but I am also a product of Don. So, basically, I am his artist even though he works for me. I’m a vessel of people’s ideas.
So you’re purposeful in the people you surround yourself with?
How ill is Taz?
Taz is crazy.
Taz Arnold, Willo Perron, Don C, Sakiya—it’s just about people that bring another level of creativity to what I bring.
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For someone who’s known as an egomaniac, you seem to like to collaborate a lot—
Yeah. The fact that I love to collaborate with people, I think, is a very non-arrogant thing. I absorb information, and I want people to know where the information is coming from so those people can be in a position for people to listen to them and capitalize off of the genius that they bring to the table—because I surround myself with geniuses.
Do you think you’ve gotten to a place where there’s no self-consciousness or insecurity?
Yeah. There’s no insecurity in the work I do, the outfits I put together, the beats I make, the raps I say.
What was the turning point?
I guess my mom passing and getting out of certain situations and just being myself. Just getting the opportunity to be me and not be concerned about what people are going to say about things—to be my own worst critic. Like, I look at my Grammy speech from last year and I cringe. Me and Common always had an inside joke about releasing albums in different years, and it came off completely wrong. Nobody got it and it made me look like a complete asshole, and it just confirmed that Kanye’s arrogant and not appreciative. You should always be gracious in a situation like that because that’s their show. You know, who the fuck am I to feel like I have rights to any extra time when it’s their show? I came in as a bit of a hothead and now I’m completely respectful; I really have the opportunity to live my dreams out and have my Grammy moments and build a great relationship with these people. And I learned from that; I publicly apologized for it, and I apologized to Common for the way it sounded.
Speaking of public outbursts, why is it that you’ll flip on a journalist, like the dude from EW who shitted on the tour, but not another rapper that disses you?
Because I feel like I’m playing on the same intellectual level of a journalist and not of a rapper.
How so?
[Laughs.] I feel like if a rapper disses me, they’re just trying to get a rise out of me and get me to play in their field to find some way that they can beat me. I feel like there’s a lot of rappers that can beat me in ignorance. So why would I play a sport that I’m not particularly trying to get better at or beaten in? There’s a lot of rappers that can beat me in ignorance, but there’s only a few that can play with true intellect. [Long pause.] How fucking perfect is that fucking answer?!
Given all the information you get from those around you, what is the most important thing you learned last year?
It’s funny you ask that as a segue to this question because, if anything, it’s to have more belief in myself, in what I think. When I look at a photograph, I know if it’s the shit. I know if my outfit ain’t right, if my video ain’t right, if a song ain’t. Sometimes people will say, “Oh, it looks nice,” and I won’t think it looks nice. I know what level I want to be on.
So what would you say was the most important thing you learned about yourself in the last 12 months?
That I can be a very level-headed person. I would never spaz on MTV the way I did before. I feel like there are people who have given a lot to me and I wasn’t appreciative of them. MTV had a major part making me, so how the hell could I ever come out my mouth and diss them and just be like the crybaby-ass bitch over one performance? How the hell is a 29-year-old grown-ass man acting like a little bitch and getting all emotional? How spoiled can I get?
“How the hell is a 29-year-old grown-ass man acting like a little b*tch and getting all emotional? How spoiled can I get?”
Do you live in a state of anxiety over how you are being presented to the public?
In no way. It’s just that if I’m working with a writer that I feel don’t got my best interest in mind, I keep on telling them, “Put this in there” or “Don’t try to make me look like a monster.” But I’m not afraid. All I can do is be the best me and learn from the mistakes that I’ve made. There are mistakes that I’ve made that I deserve for people to look at me like a complete asshole; I have been a complete asshole. All I can do is just be a better person for myself—not to prove it to anyone, but just to be a better person, period. I beat myself up, and I make mistakes, and I get past it, and I get excited about the future.
So when you go to bed at night, there’s nothing—
Frustrating me?
Yeah.
The only thing is that I can’t talk to my mom anymore. Mistakes that I’ve made—things I didn’t do, things that I didn’t say, things I didn’t do to change that situation. That’s the only thing that hurts. In all the time that you’ve been around me, did I seem like I was really stressing shit?
Nope.
I think you can tell in the amount of time that you were with me whether it really affected me—like, remember when that dude approached me and shit?
Oh yeah, homeboy on the street in Hollywood who asked you to be his Valentine… [Laughs.]
My response was like, “OK, this confirms that people are saying that about me.”
True. You didn’t sweat it at all. Yeah, I wouldn’t characterize you as stressed out or depressed.
I was a bit depressed when I made “Pinocchio Story” and made the album and shit. But you just gotta scream it out.
With your mom gone, who do you trust the most?
Don C, to be honest. Then my cousin and my dad.
You’ve said 808s is your most personal record. Listening to it, there are recurring themes of trust, cheating, and paranoia. Why is that?
Because of mistakes that I’ve made from the beginning by not establishing a proper foundation of trust, just being a young dude who’s not trustworthy. Whoever you’re with is a reflection of you. It’s hard to be fully forgiven. People forgive, but they don’t forget.
What did you learn about yourself in your last relationship?
That I have to believe in myself. Then I had to learn that a woman is a reflection of you, so if you make mistakes, you will pay for them for the rest of the relationship.
Are you looking for a relationship in the future?
I think everybody wants to be in a relationship. I’m more of a boyfriend type. If I was ever in a situation with a bunch of girls, it’s just by default.
So you feel like monogamy is a realistic goal, even given the nature of your celebrity?
Who’s to say having a relationship declares monogamy?
